This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation . Daigle said his wife hit her head during the incident and once the couple returns to Fort Kent she plans to be evaluated at Northern Maine Medical Center as a precaution. She returned in May 2016. The first officer and two of the 28 passengers sustained minor injuries. A preliminary report Thursday [March 21] indicates the 50-seat Embraer 145 approached to the right of the runway on an aborted first landing attempt and then again when it touched down March . We smelled some burning, but nothing was on fire. This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. The benefits of subscriptionGet the news right onto your desktop when they happenPut the news on your website/in your newspaper. Strange incident with few details to this day. Hello world! I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. Investigation Report. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board CommutAir flight 4933 flying from Newark to Presque Isle, the company said. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. The aircraft touched down at 11:29EST and came to rest in a snow-covered grassy area between the runway and a parallel taxiway. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. The accident took place on a snowy day in Presque Isle, Maine. Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 8:04:00AM EST, Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:15:00AM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:15:00PM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:30:00PM EST, Monday, March 11, 2019 at 12:37:00AM EDT, Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 8:50:00PM EDT, Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 6:49:00PM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:20:00PM EST, Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 12:20:00AM EDT. The Daigles are parents to a 4 1 /2 year old son. Lead Journalist - South America - Daniel comes to Simple Flying with many years of aviation journalism experience, having worked with Mexican publication A21, Roads & Kingdoms, El Economista and more. The flight departed from Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with 28 passengers and three crew members. On Mar 21st 2019 the NTSB reported: "On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Airport maintenance staff later reported that the runway lights were not illuminated at the time. DropTank Well-Known Member May 22, 2022 #3 Roger Roger said: Accident Number: ENG15IA024 Operator/Flight Number: United Express flight 4776 (operated by CommutAir) Aircraft and Registration: Bombardier DHC-8-202, N363PH . New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. This was the second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. Would not be surprised to see this Captain's name associated with another incident/accident. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved, said Senator Collins. I appreciated the NTSBs preliminary report that was issued a few weeks after the crash, which was helpful in determining some of the key facts and allowed the airline and the airport to take immediate steps to increase safety. She was slightly ahead of me in seniority at C5, but then left for VX right before she could upgrade. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. commutair 4933 ntsb report. [1]:1,78 At around 11:10EST, according to cockpit voice recorder (CVR) transcripts, the pilots were having trouble seeing the runway clearly and attempted to turn on the runway lights by cuing the radio microphone. A local official said it was the pilot's second attempt at a landing. The preliminary report on the accident of United Flight 4933 says that on March 4th at 11:43 am United Express landed between runway 1 and the taxiway in light to moderate snow at the Northern Maine Regional Airport in Presque Isle. Left Republic due to LOFT issueswhat does that mean??? This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. The broadcast contained a halftime report of game 6 of an NBA playoff series between Golden State and Memphis. By thoroughly investigating all of the factors that led to the plane missing the runway, the final report issued by the NTSB today can help ensure that this kind of preventable accident never happens again.. The accident was attributed to confirmation bias which prompted the flight crew to continue descending even though they could not see the runway due to snow; poor decision-making by the captain, fatigue of the first officer, and problems with the airport's instrument landing system were identified as contributing factors. Archived post. CommutAir/United Express #UA4933 from Newark landed in Presque Isle and left the runway to the right. The airplane was substantially damaged. Based in Mexico City, Mexico. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. One pilot & three passenger reported minor injuries. ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." At least five days before the accident, six pilots who flew into PQI encountered issues with the ILS localizer. Today, U.S. The industry is hurting for flight deck crew members. See this is my problem with the industry. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. A part of defending the profession means telling people they just arent cut out for flying paying passengers and to pick a new career. Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. The airplane was substantially damaged. Cass did say to me she will be OK when she sees Keegan, Rick Daigle said. JavaScript is disabled. She failed her EMB-145 checkride during her initial attempt and was later placed under "increased scrutiny" by CommutAir twice. This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. I never had an issue, but she could be very abrasive, especially toward FAs. Crew missed first approach bc something didnt look right when they went visual, then apparently just sorta yolod it on the second attempt and had some severe confirmation bias when looking at what they thought were the runway/lights. Rather scattered individual, always leaving something in the airplane, always some drama.Then she came back to C5 after whatever happened and having upgraded in 2015, I flew with her when she was rehired. And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. robertsky (talk) 16:45, 8 August 2022 (UTC), | b1 = , | b2 = , | b3 = , | b4 = , | b5 = , Last edited on 16 September 2022, at 14:10, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CommutAir_Flight_4933&oldid=1110621196, On 1 August 2022, it was proposed that this article be, This page was last edited on 16 September 2022, at 14:10. But could have also been Line Oriented Flight Training. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. The EMB145XR subsequently impacted the snow-covered grassy area between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Also big Yikes. But ALPA is too scared theyll get hit by a DFR lawsuit. If this is the same one, she was pretty infamous. Gotta wonder how many more lives need to be lost as a result of airlines looking to fill seats in the cockpit, before they realize sex and skin color are not relevant to qualifications to fly airplanes! During the final approach, the pilots decided to do a go-around after they were unable to see the runway. Remove the mounting nuts and the mounting bolts. Read recent air safety reports, incidents and news about Commutair. [5], The final report was released by the NTSB on July 12, 2022, more than 3 years after the accident. Preliminary Accident and Incident Notices are also available in csv format (Microsoft Excel) for downloading and use in databases or spreadsheets. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. [1]:1314, Flight 4933 departed from Newark Liberty International Airport around 10:04Eastern Standard Time(EST) (14:04UTC). These training issues sound very much like the FO on Atlas 3591, very obscure training failures that are not painting the whole picture of the pilot involved. One pilot and three passengers were injured, and the aircraft was substantially damaged. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. The NTSB has scrubbed any mention of this accident from their website. FO had sleep apnea and did not use the CPAP machine the night before, where he only got about ~ 5 hrs sleep. 2017. I work in the 135 world and I was shocked more companies dont fly their applicants either in the sim or an aircraft. They found that on the initial approach the crew executed a go-around as they weren't able to establish the runway, they saw snow and a structure with an antenna but no runway. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. I have started a talk page discussion about possibly revising the naming conventions to clearly address regional-brand flights. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. The agency said it will work closely with a federal government contractor . Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway.